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Post by vertigo on Jul 26, 2010 13:31:13 GMT -5
Sure thing.
I'm working on updated and new lucha exports and I wanted to release them for anyone who may want them, but I was worried my database of moves would carry over with them. I didn't want to potentially overload someones database with unwanted/unused moves.
Does the same go for managers?
And King, will the next batch of updates includes NXT Season 2 Rookies?
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Post by LillaThrilla on Jul 26, 2010 16:50:48 GMT -5
If I install a clean TNM and only import the newest exports by King on TNMUK, will I get King's entire database of moves? I believe if you already have a move in your database, if you Import a wrestler the move data in the file coming in does not overwrite what's already in your database. If you don't have the move (i.e. the exact same name in your Moves database) only then will it bring in the new move.
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Post by kingofoldschool on Jul 29, 2010 1:50:57 GMT -5
And King, will the next batch of updates includes NXT Season 2 Rookies? Yep, that's the plan.
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Post by kingofoldschool on Aug 1, 2010 7:00:01 GMT -5
If I install a clean TNM and only import the newest exports by King on TNMUK, will I get King's entire database of moves? I believe if you already have a move in your database, if you Import a wrestler the move data in the file coming in does not overwrite what's already in your database. If you don't have the move (i.e. the exact same name in your Moves database) only then will it bring in the new move. This is correct. The only moves that get imported are ones not already in the DB.
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Post by kingofoldschool on Aug 1, 2010 8:46:52 GMT -5
Are over-the-shoulder stomachbreaker and Canadian backbreaker the same thing? The former does not appear to be listed as a submission move though. I can't think what it is.
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Post by vertigo on Aug 1, 2010 9:30:37 GMT -5
Over the shoulder stomachbreaker would be the move that Dean Malenko used to do, from the second rope even. It's a fireman's carry at first, then the opponent is thrown over head and across the knee stomach first. It's not a submission move.
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Post by LillaThrilla on Aug 1, 2010 10:39:40 GMT -5
Canadian backbreaker is an over-the-shoulder backbreaker submission (as opposed to a normal backbreaker, which is on the knee). Albert's Train Wreck move was the non-submission version.
I would've thought an over-the-shoulder stomachbreaker (which should in turn really be an over the shoulder gutbuster, since I think gutbuster is generally used over stomachbreaker) would be an inverted Train Wreck: a gutbuster on the shoulder instead of the knee. But it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.
FWIW, I would call Malenko's move a fireman's carry gutbuster (or fireman's carry into a gutbuster). And I'd use that name over over-the-shoulder gutbuster, assuming they are the same move.
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Post by LillaThrilla on Aug 16, 2010 21:54:30 GMT -5
Question for everyone: in your copy of TNM do you have Frankensteiner and rana or only one?
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Post by Socko on Aug 17, 2010 7:49:59 GMT -5
Question for everyone: in your copy of TNM do you have Frankensteiner and rana or only one? Both .. plus huracanrana. What a mess, lol. I know it's pretty much been covered here, but I've seen "that piggyback move" referred to as a rope-draped seated senton too. The other one is when a wrestler (usually a big one) simply steps on a prone opponent. I would simply say "steps on OPPONENT", but how can I tell TNM to do that? Would that be the "giant chest walk" that Andre used to do? We called it that in the D.O.T.T. mod for Wrestling Spirit 2 (which I was fortunate enough to work on with Boon), though it may well have a different name.
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Post by BeerGeek on Aug 17, 2010 9:21:43 GMT -5
Question for everyone: in your copy of TNM do you have Frankensteiner and rana or only one? Both .. plus huracanrana. What a mess, lol. I know it's pretty much been covered here, but I've seen "that piggyback move" referred to as a rope-draped seated senton too. The other one is when a wrestler (usually a big one) simply steps on a prone opponent. I would simply say "steps on OPPONENT", but how can I tell TNM to do that? Would that be the "giant chest walk" that Andre used to do? We called it that in the D.O.T.T. mod for Wrestling Spirit 2 (which I was fortunate enough to work on with Boon), though it may well have a different name. Frankensteiner and rana are different though, Frankensteiner involves you running toward your opponent before doing the move, rana involves the opponent running toward you
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Post by kingofoldschool on Aug 17, 2010 14:58:36 GMT -5
Also, I believe rana leads to an automatic pinfall but Frankensteiner doesn't.
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Post by vertigo on Aug 17, 2010 16:17:30 GMT -5
Frankensteiner and rana are different though, Frankensteiner involves you running toward your opponent before doing the move, rana involves the opponent running toward you I'm going to argue this because more often than not whenever Scott Steiner did the Frankensteiner it was to an opponent coming off the ropes and he was standing. King's argument is more valid in regards to the pinfall I suppose. Also, I could just be making things more complicated than they need to be.
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Post by LillaThrilla on Aug 17, 2010 17:51:33 GMT -5
Frankensteiner and rana are different though, Frankensteiner involves you running toward your opponent before doing the move, rana involves the opponent running toward you So if you counter a power bomb are you countering it with a Frankensteiner or a rana? Because in that case neither wrestler is running. Also, I believe rana leads to an automatic pinfall but Frankensteiner doesn't. That was what I was thinking: a Frankensteiner releases while a rana rolls into a kind of cradle (see Rey Mysterio). This all leads to a followup question: if you're putting counters for a move and you want to have a counter other than a Frankensteiner or rana (since you're limited to 2 moves), which one wins out for the lone spot? Rana?
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Post by phudjie on Aug 18, 2010 6:00:57 GMT -5
...I had it explained to me awhile back that the difference between a Frankensteiner and a (huracan)rana was that the objective of the Frankenstiner was to frive to victims head into the mat while the (huracan)rana was suppossed to be a quick move designed to dissorient and/or pin your opponent; in my database, the Frankensteiner does more damage and a (huracan)rana come with a pin,...
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Post by LillaThrilla on Mar 4, 2011 21:09:26 GMT -5
1) Are a figure four sleeper and a triangle choke pretty much the same thing?
2) Are a choke sleeper and a rear naked choke pretty much the same thing?
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Post by Crpls on Mar 5, 2011 0:34:09 GMT -5
Not really. Figure-four sleeper/headscissors is pretty much used as a rest hold and doesn't involve the arm and is always done from "above" the opponent.
Triangle choke is generally done from the front and obviously involves the arm. Although a few guys (like Hash) did it from "above" the guy while he was on the mat.
Pretty much. I supposed the rear naked choke is more specific to a certain look in MMA, but in wrestling, it's pretty much interchangeable (ROH and TNA called Joe's a chokeout/sleeper, WWE usually calls (well, the few times it's been used regularly) a rear naked choke. In Japan you generally just hear "sleeper" from the announcers.
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Post by LillaThrilla on Mar 5, 2011 20:11:54 GMT -5
Not really. Figure-four sleeper/headscissors is pretty much used as a rest hold and doesn't involve the arm and is always done from "above" the opponent. Triangle choke is generally done from the front and obviously involves the arm. Although a few guys (like Hash) did it from "above" the guy while he was on the mat. Ah yes forgot about the arm. Now that I think about it countering might be different too: in UFC, you'll sometimes see guys caught in a triangle pick up their opponent and powerbomb him to break the choke (I think Bob Sapp managed to KO his opponent in an Pride match that way), but I don't think anybody ever does that in pro wrestling. Your reply does raise a new question to me: would a figure four sleeper and a headscissors submission be the same? I think the leg positioning of the attacker is slightly different but other than that about the same.
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Post by Crpls on Mar 5, 2011 20:35:22 GMT -5
It's been done in wrestling by power guys before. They've countered jujis/cross armbeakers with a power bomb too.
Honestly, I think the figure-four sleeper/headscissors name is more of a TNM thing than real world. I've heard some indy announcers use it before, but for the most part I've never heard it referred to as anything other than headscissors.
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Post by LillaThrilla on Apr 4, 2011 20:56:26 GMT -5
Trying to understand my DDTs (a little trickier than my ABCs).
TNM used to call a tornado DDT a swinging DDT. I've seen some places also say a spinning DDT is another name for this move, but based on the counters I think TNM7's spinning DDT is something else closer to a regular DDT (backdrop is a counter to both).
What the heck is TNM's backspin DDT? The counter is listed as a belly-to-belly suplex?!
What was The Rock's "Maivia Hurricane" DDT from his earlier Rocky Maivia days? Was it just the snap DDT he used later as The Rock or was it a floatover DDT?
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Post by Crpls on Apr 6, 2011 0:12:57 GMT -5
Spinning DDT in TNM is Vito's old finisher. Basically a spinning Implant/Impaler/whatever DDT.
Backspin DDT is the Rock's DDT he did for a while in his earlier days. Don't know why Oliver/Rob/Jose called it backspin (uh, you spin over the back?)
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Post by LillaThrilla on Apr 6, 2011 17:23:51 GMT -5
Backspin DDT is the Rock's DDT he did for a while in his earlier days. Don't know why Oliver/Rob/Jose called it backspin (uh, you spin over the back?) So a floatover DDT like this? www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxfavcVNDMk
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Post by kingofoldschool on Apr 12, 2011 15:59:36 GMT -5
What's the forum's opinion on football tackle/three point stance/running shoulderblock?
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Post by snabbit888 on Apr 12, 2011 18:36:50 GMT -5
What's the forum's opinion on football tackle/three point stance/running shoulderblock? It's normally referred to as "three point stance." Though I picture a running shoulderblock being the same thing, just, without the three point stance.
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Post by LillaThrilla on Apr 12, 2011 18:53:15 GMT -5
I think of tackle and a shoulderblock as two different moves. A tackle is a takedown - a slower and lower impact version of the spear. A shoulderblock leaves you standing, though a running shoulderblock would usually knock your opponent down. It's normally referred to as "three point stance." Though I picture a running shoulderblock being the same thing, just, without the three point stance. Calling a shoulderblock or tackle a Three Point Stance is kind of like calling a DDT or vertical suplex a Front Facelock.
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Post by snabbit888 on Apr 12, 2011 22:41:25 GMT -5
Don't you roll your eyes at me!
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