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Post by magiccitydawg on Apr 19, 2010 22:39:17 GMT -5
It should come as no suprise that RVD (The Whole F'n Show) defeated AJ Styles for the TNA Championship. Makes sense after all, RVD is more marketable than AJ "I Want to be Mayor of Mayberry" Styles. Attachments:
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Post by psz on Apr 20, 2010 7:26:50 GMT -5
Wow... They really ARE trying to get Paul E. over there....
(If you don't get it, read some of Heyman's most recent blogs regarding TNA)
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Post by snabbit888 on Apr 20, 2010 9:30:41 GMT -5
Yay for RVD being the new TNA champion. And to do so, at least they didn't stupidly give away RVD vs. Jeff Hardy and RVD vs. Styles with no build whatsoever so they can build interest and help build their audience long term...
Oh, wait... that DID give the two matches away for free with no build?
Cloudy with a chance of yikes.
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Post by magiccitydawg on Apr 20, 2010 13:46:26 GMT -5
Yay for RVD being the new TNA champion. And to do so, at least they didn't stupidly give away RVD vs. Jeff Hardy and RVD vs. Styles with no build whatsoever so they can build interest and help build their audience long term... Oh, wait... that DID give the two matches away for free with no build? Cloudy with a chance of yikes. Could it be that TNA is going for spontaneity and surprise rather than a scripted show? Hmmmmmm.
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Post by snabbit888 on Apr 20, 2010 14:25:46 GMT -5
Yay for RVD being the new TNA champion. And to do so, at least they didn't stupidly give away RVD vs. Jeff Hardy and RVD vs. Styles with no build whatsoever so they can build interest and help build their audience long term... Oh, wait... that DID give the two matches away for free with no build? Cloudy with a chance of yikes. Could it be that TNA is going for spontaneity and surprise rather than a scripted show? Hmmmmmm. And I'm sure all 10 people who are watching Impact right now loved the surprise.
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Post by LillaThrilla on Apr 20, 2010 19:27:43 GMT -5
Nice that TNA actuallly put on an Impact full of good wresting.
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Post by magiccitydawg on Apr 20, 2010 20:00:10 GMT -5
Nice that TNA actuallly put on an Impact full of good wresting. Even better, all of their top stars were not stranded overseas.
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Post by magiccitydawg on Apr 20, 2010 22:55:20 GMT -5
Sorry for the double, but I found this on Wrestleview.Com
Report: Styles not happy about dropping TNA title » Reported by Steve Gerweck of Wrestleview.com » On April 20, 2010 at 5:16 pm
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AJ Styles was not a happy camper last night.
Not only was Styles upset about having to drop the title, he was also quite upset when Van Dam failed to hook his leg for the pin. When Styles returned to the back, he simply changed and left the building without conversing with others.
The backstage reaction was mixed with some feeling Styles was being a bit of baby for not wanting to drop the title, as others felt management didn't keep Styles strong as he looked weak losing the strap the first time he didn't have Ric Flair in his corner.
In recent times, Styles has been keeping to himself, doing his own thing backstage and not always tuned in to television monitors to watch the show.
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Post by snabbit888 on Apr 20, 2010 23:43:23 GMT -5
My main beef with it is that they gave away two huge matches on free TV. And won't make any money off of it. The matches were good. But why not do EXACTLY what they did last night, but spread it out until a PPV? Actually try to get people to pay for their ppvs instead of desperately trying to compete with WWE which isn't going to happen.
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Post by magiccitydawg on Apr 21, 2010 11:46:24 GMT -5
My main beef with it is that they gave away two huge matches on free TV. And won't make any money off of it. The matches were good. But why not do EXACTLY what they did last night, but spread it out until a PPV? Actually try to get people to pay for their ppvs instead of desperately trying to compete with WWE which isn't going to happen. I agree to a certain extent. In this age of Pay Per Views, wrestling has become little more than weekly infomercials promoting the next ppv. However, I think that promotions should throw the fans a bone once in a while. There are some who, for one reason or another, cannot watch a ppv, whether it be because of finances or work related circumstances. WCW did come up with the Superclash (please correct if not right) which brought quality ppv action to regular cable. Two matches come to mind, the first card which featured Sting against Ric Flair, the second was the Rick Steamboat/Ric Flair epic at the Superdome. And it didn't hurt ppv buy rates. Maybe if WWE would cut out the dirty finishes, the many swerves. the promise of matches which never happen, they might have me watching a little more.
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Post by LillaThrilla on Apr 21, 2010 15:24:52 GMT -5
I believe NWA/WCW's Clash Of the Champions was originaly a supercard on free TV because it was supposed to be more special that a regular show, but not as special as a PPV. This was from the era before WCW and WWF started making PPVs less special by having them monthly.
As for giving away PPV-level matches on free TV, sometimes it has a point. Impact's first Monday night show? Sure. This week when WWE had to scramble to patch something together because the RAW roster was trapped in Europe? Sure. Good way to draw views. But to randomly pop a rating? Stupid. Anderson-Angle in that ladder match a few weeks ago comes to mind. Hardy-RVD and RVD-Styles were both PPV matches. Giving away one to go head to head with WWE, or perhaps combining them into a Hardy-RVD-Styles triple threat match? Sure. Try to hook people testing out your show because of RAW's predicament. Both giving away BOTH seems foolish.
Related aside: how much better would RVD-Styles have been if RVD hadn't already wrestled once that night? Not to mention it makes Styles look even weaker: not only did he lose the first match without Flair at ringside but he lost to a guy who had just wrestled another match earlier that night!
One thing that would be nice is if WWE didn't put total squashes on RAW. I watched a RAW a few weeks before Wrestlemania where they had two Money In The Bank qualifier matches in which the match took less time than the wrestlers' combined ring intros! Terrible. If a match is going to bother taking place at all, give it at least 5 minutes unless you're trying to build someone up as a monster (ex: Goldberg or Kane). Save the squashes for the B show and don't have squashes in a MitB qualifier!
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Post by psz on Apr 21, 2010 21:30:18 GMT -5
Here's my take, not that anyone cares ;->
Back in the Old Days (1980s WWF, 1990s everyone else), you had squash matches all the time on TV. PPV "quality" matches were on PPVs only. RVD vs AJ Styles or Chris Jericho vs Undertaker would NOT be on broadcast/cable TV unless it was a special event (Main Event/Clash).
Raw (and later, Nitro) made it so that Superstar vs Superstar is the almost expected match, as opposed to Star or Superstar vs Jobber.
The problem is that while WWE has somewhat realised this flaw (and thus Carlito, Santino, and co. will almost always lose), TNA is still trying to promote "The best of the best, every week"... After awhile, doing that, your top guys HAVE to job to someone... It cheapens the event.
That's just my take ;->
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Post by LillaThrilla on Apr 22, 2010 8:35:13 GMT -5
I think it's fine to job Santino all the time, I just don't think they should job him in 30 seconds.
Looks like TNA's best efforts came to naught again: 1.0 rating for Impact, 3.0 for RAW.
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Post by snabbit888 on Apr 22, 2010 12:26:48 GMT -5
I think it's fine to job Santino all the time, I just don't think they should job him in 30 seconds. Looks like TNA's best efforts came to naught again: 1.0 rating for Impact, 3.0 for RAW. Well it's a .2 increase from the week before. The true test comes if next week they keep that 1.0 or build on it. They're never going to suddenly jump from a 1.0 to a 3.0 in one week. You'd think they'd be smart enough to try to build instead of doing random crazy shit in hopes that a million people will suddenly start watching. I think if they manage to get a 1.1 or 1.2 next week, it's all a win, despite my personal opinions of it being silly.
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Post by psz on Apr 22, 2010 18:27:00 GMT -5
I think WWE knows that TNA isn't going to beat them in the ratings for quite a long time (It took Nitro, what, five years to finally beat Raw?), and so I think WWE is currently more interested in developing new talent for the eventual competition that SHOULD happen at some point, rather than trying to boost their already-leading ratings.
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Post by JustinCredible on Apr 22, 2010 19:00:39 GMT -5
Impact went up against a Raw that was thrown together at the last minute & only pulled .2 higher than they had recently. I see them falling back down on the comeback show from the ppv.
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Post by phudjie on Apr 23, 2010 3:34:38 GMT -5
....when RAW started, it typically had a couple of jobber squashes (and I wouldn't have a problem with them showing up again) before the superstar vs. superstar match(s); and conversly, today you can hardly call guys like Santino or Chavo superstars, they're jobbers, everybody knows they are going to lose virtually time they step into the ring....
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Post by psz on Apr 23, 2010 17:51:38 GMT -5
That's exactly my point: WWE is starting to get back to having squashes leading up to the Main Event(s).
It's not start to finish "Who's gonna win???" at this point.
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Post by magiccitydawg on Apr 24, 2010 0:08:34 GMT -5
Here's my take, not that anyone cares ;-> Back in the Old Days (1980s WWF, 1990s everyone else), you had squash matches all the time on TV. PPV "quality" matches were on PPVs only. RVD vs AJ Styles or Chris Jericho vs Undertaker would NOT be on broadcast/cable TV unless it was a special event (Main Event/Clash). Raw (and later, Nitro) made it so that Superstar vs Superstar is the almost expected match, as opposed to Star or Superstar vs Jobber. The problem is that while WWE has somewhat realised this flaw (and thus Carlito, Santino, and co. will almost always lose), TNA is still trying to promote "The best of the best, every week"... After awhile, doing that, your top guys HAVE to job to someone... It cheapens the event. That's just my take ;-> I go back to the late 60s and through the 70s when wrestling was more territory, and the local wrestling was on a weekly schedule for the house shows, and every TV match was a squash match. The only time you saw the stars go at it was at the weekly house show. The only time you saw a title match, unless it was for a TV title, was at the house show. But times have changed, haven't they? The territory days are over, the only time you can go to a wrestling event outside of the occasional shows when the older wrestlers come out, is when the WWE or TNA comes to town, which for Birmingham, Alabama, we have been on a almost two year dry spell. I don't think that it is too much to ask that the promotions give us at least one or two good ppv quality matches on free TV. The AAA promotion presented the Reys de Reys tournament on Galavision, and I think they showed a great deal of their Triplemania event last year on Gala as well. I don't see the crowds any smaller for them, and I think that, in the long run, throwing a HHH vs Randy orton for the WWE title will not hurt ppv sales either. There's my two cents.
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Post by psz on Apr 24, 2010 7:17:27 GMT -5
Oh, I'm not saying have NO major matches on TV.
But if there are, say, six matches scheduled, I don't think all six should be 'Taker vs Punk, Edge, vs Christian, Batista vs HHH, Orton vs Jericho, Show Miz vs Hart Dynasty, and Swagger vs Shamus.
Any one (or two) of those on a show with Jericho beating Santino, Batista killing Evan Bourne, Punk squashing Chavo, and Show Miz beating some local tag team would be a great way to push those guys. And, of course, have a Jobber to the Stars beat lesser jobbers on a regular basis so that when they DO lose to a Superstar, it seems impressive.
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