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Post by jeff the god of biscuits on May 11, 2011 19:06:12 GMT -5
been playing Legends of Wrestlemania the past couple of days ... I have been working on a mini-feud between Yokozuna (WWE Champion) & King Kong Bundy v. The Ultimate Warrior & Brutus Beefcake (WWE Tag Team Champions) ... part of this program has seen Warrior v. Yoko in a non title match ...
so it got me to thinking that if Vince could sell out WM 9 with Bret v. Yoko, would he have been able to sell out a show with Warrior v. Yoko for the title?
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Post by allpowerfulgarth on May 12, 2011 8:24:37 GMT -5
If Vince McMahon could sell a Yokozuna-Hulk Hogan feud for the WWF Title, I'm sure he could sell a Yokozuna-Ultimate Warrior feud. Yes, the matches would be unwatchable by today's standards, but in the right historical context, they could be great -- one of those situations where you watch a tape of the match, and it's horrible, but the crowd is behind it 100 percent.
That said, I don't know if there's a period in history when Yokozuna and the Warrior were both over enough to make it work. For one thing, Warrior never regained in his second WWF run the popularity he had in his first run; even if he hadn't gotten fired just prior to Survivor Series 1992, he would have had a tough time remaining sufficiently over by the time Yokozuna entered the title picture a few months later. For another, WWF fans were starting to gravitate away from such big man feuds at the time; Yoko-Hogan worked to some extent, but Warrior wasn't as over as Hogan at this point, and the Lex Luger-Yoko feud that followed Yoko-Hogan wasn't great.
I guess it depends on which timeline you change to make the feud happen. If it happens around the time in history when Yokozuna was on top, it probably doesn't sell out a pay-per-view. If it happens around the time in history when Warrior was on top, it probably does.
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Post by wickedrex on May 12, 2011 9:35:06 GMT -5
I have to agree with pretty much everything posted above.r
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Post by theimpalertmx on May 12, 2011 20:03:06 GMT -5
Assuming all things remained the same up until WM 9, I don't see how you could have done that match then. Yoko had only been around for what, 3 months before he won the Rumble? Without that there is no way he would have been in the main event. So what is the most logical move? Hogan never wins the belt at WM 9. He DOES feud with Yoko up until King of the Ring.
What does Warrior do in this time period? So instead of Warrior getting fired, let's say they were able to work out their issues by the time the Rumble happens. Do you hope that you can build up enough hype for his return at WM 9? Do you have the exact same thing happen as the year previous, only this time it is Warrior running out to help Hogan and Beefcake? Or do you wait until right after and then introduce Warrior back into things. I don't remember how likely it was that Hogan was going to leave the company at that point (even if he simply took time off), but if I'm in charge here I think, "Ok, we just went through the mess with Warrior. Some more time off might do him some good." So if he does appear at WM9 make it a surprise... cementing his role as the Hulk Hogan's "Hulk Hogan" - the guy that is always going to show up and help Hogan when he needs it.
From there you do a series of vignettes where Warrior does some wacky stuff about him being off on a journey to strengthen himself. You give him someone at King of the Ring who doesn't have a lot going on, but would be seen as a legitimate threat for the Warrior. Most of your midcard guys are in the tournament, but surely there is someone who doesn't qualify who you could put in there with him. I don't know if you put him in squash matches leading up to that or not, I don't think it really matters either way.
So now you have Yoko vs. Hogan where Yoko is champ and retains (just as big of a deal as him pinning Hogan to get the belt back). Warrior gets the Luger push, we are saved from the stupid Lex Express, and Warrior vs. Yoko headlines SummerSlam. With Hogan gone Warrior becomes your de facto #1 guy and hopefully this gets him white hot again with the fans.
So in short, they could have done the program, but in time for WM9? I don't think it'd be realistic to expect it and I don't know how you would book things after without making one of them look weak.
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Post by allpowerfulgarth on May 13, 2011 8:25:43 GMT -5
I think the only way you can do Yokozuna-Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania 9 is if Bret Hart never wins the WWF Title to begin with -- either the Warrior beats Randy Savage to win the title at Summerslam 1992, or he, rather than Bret, beats Ric Flair a month later. Heck, if it weren't for the steroid scandal prompting Vince McMahon to push smaller guys like Bret -- not to mention forcing him to fire Warrior when he failed a drug test -- that could very well have been the route the WWF went through 1992 and into 1993.
If you go Impaler's route, it's not too hard to keep Warrior occupied through King of the Ring. You've already got a ready-made opponent for him in Razor Ramon, whom he was feuding with prior to being taken off TV around Survivor Series. Have Warrior crush Razor at King of the Ring, and replace Razor in the tournament with Doink the Clown or Papa Shango -- easy.
Of course, if we end up with Yokozuna-Warrior over the summer rather than Yokozuna-Lex Luger, it makes me curious as to how things proceed after Summerslam. If Warrior wins the title, where does he go from there? I figure you put him and Yoko on opposite sides of a standard Survivor Series match in November, then maybe do a one-on-one rematch at the Royal Rumble, but who wins the Rumble and gets the shot at Warrior at Wrestlemania 10? Do you elevate Bam Bam Bigelow? Do you keep Razor or Luger as a heel over the summer so you can put them against Warrior later? Do you try to build up to a face-vs.-face match at Wrestlemania against Bret or the Undertaker?
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Post by jacklarkin on May 13, 2011 8:43:34 GMT -5
You guys have good memories...damn
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Post by phudjie on May 13, 2011 21:27:20 GMT -5
...I think the build up for the match would be amazing; some Ultimate Warrior batshit crazy promos with Yoko countering with some unhinged Jim Cornette screaming and Mr.Fuji speaking Japanese, I need to see this now...
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Post by theimpalertmx on May 14, 2011 9:33:51 GMT -5
I just want it to involve Warrior swimming all the way across the Pacific to Japan and meeting with the spirits of great Japanese warriors. And him running up and down hundreds of flights of stairs at temples.
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