Post by gentlemanjeff on Aug 10, 2011 9:48:33 GMT -5
I'm slowly rebuilding a new CWF (yay DosBox). I've decided to adopt impaler's system--I think it's the most realistic. Also, I like the idea of lowering the average star rating of TNM matches, as they're just too high for the most part. The truly good matches don't stand out, like in real life, because every other match is ***1/2+.
For those of you with an old school bend, what do you think the applicable work ratings are for the following circa 1960:
Antonino Rocca - I think 87; supposed to be a good worker but also a bit of an early RVD-unrealistic acrobatic type. Also, 1960 is the beginning of his decline phase due to alcoholism.
Hans Schmidt - I think 92; supposed to have been a very good mat technician/brawler type with great psychology.
Eddie Graham - I'm thinking somewhere in the 82-84 range; the Grahams, while huge in this time period, were never known as great workers, merely solid workers with great charisma and looks/presence.
Dory Funk, Sr. and Mike DiBiase - I have both at 84-86. Both were well-traveled, capable wrestlers and had great progeny, so I figure they must have been fairly good themselves.
Dick the Bruiser - 75; I think 75 is the "knows the basics but isn't elegant about it"; it's the "he's competent but he's going to be getting by on charisma or spectacle" rating, which I think Bruiser qualifies for.
Johnny Valentine - 85; I think of 85s as the "very good but not great" rating; above an 85 has to be earned.
I have a lot of smaller names, journey-men types, who are all in the 70s. I think of that as the "capable, mediocre talent" rating. 60s are for bad workers and 50s for awful workers.
Post by snabbit888 on Aug 10, 2011 14:30:13 GMT -5
With Rocca, I see him with having a bit lower workrate but with high charisma. He was flashy and definitely entertaining, but I wouldn't have called him a great worker necessarily. Plus, 87 will give you too high of match ratings, I'd think.
I think Valentine is a bit high with an 85 too. Everything I've read about him is that he seemed like a good worker because he was stiff as hell. Maybe it's personal preference, but to me, someone is a better worker if they can make it look like it hurts when it doesn't instead of really hurting people.
Dick the Bruiser I have at around 70 in my database, which I think is fair.
Though I can't comment on Dory Funk Sr. and Mike DiBiase specifically, I'd try to find some video because just because they had kids who were great workers doesn't mean they were themselves. Curt Hennig was a great worker. Larry Hennig wasn't. And besides, the Million Dollar Man was adopted.
Post by gentlemanjeff on Aug 10, 2011 15:37:38 GMT -5
"Though I can't comment on Dory Funk Sr. and Mike DiBiase specifically, I'd try to find some video because just because they had kids who were great workers doesn't mean they were themselves. "
Ha, fair point. I think of them a bit like quarterback's fathers: Great quarterbacks tend to have had fathers with football smarts who started training them early. Pitchers are kind of similar.
In any case though, both Iron Mike and Dory Sr. have good reputations and had long careers.
I've got Rocca at a 100 charisma (using about the same system). He was probably the #1 draw of the 50s, so it seems deserving. I've also got Dick the Bruiser at 98, Hans Schmidt at 94, and Eddie Graham at 90 or so.
I agree that 87 may be too high. Valentine, not so sure.
Post by snabbit888 on Aug 10, 2011 16:16:25 GMT -5
Like I said, personal preference. I tend to not think that highly-regarded Japanese workers are as great as many play them off to be. Entertaining matches? Sure. But I just don't equate stiff with good worker.
Post by doughcomic on Jul 29, 2018 19:14:10 GMT -5
So as I redownload wrestlers I have decided to edit them for a more global aspect. I change their push based on PWI 500 rankings, Stamina is based on match times, but what I wanted to share was how I determine a guys Work rate. I use Meltzer's star ratings for their best 20 matches. The only way they get a 100 work rate is if they have given 20 5* performances in their career. Over the years Meltzer has given up to 7*'s as he gets nicer in his old age, so those guys get bonus points. All in all it has worked out fairly. The only stat I can not quantify is Charisma.