jmwa
Curtain Jerker
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Post by jmwa on Jun 15, 2012 14:58:25 GMT -5
Any differences anyone knows of beween making a match named submission and checking the I-quit option on page 2 with the different stipulations where you check the I-quit box. I'm not aware of any
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Post by KWOAOA on Jun 15, 2012 16:03:21 GMT -5
The only thing that it might be difference now that I think of it is:
Submission Match = you have to make the guy tap
I Quit = you have to ask him and he has to say into a microphone "I Quit"
Couple years back Rock vs Mankind for WWE Title is the only I Quit I can recall but I'm sure there's more. That's just the most notable one for my mind at this time without doing extensive research.
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Post by snabbit888 on Jun 15, 2012 18:12:32 GMT -5
Submission match has to be a submission move to end it. I Quit match is just when the wrestler has had enough and says "I quit," whether it was in a submission move or otherwise.
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jmwa
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Post by jmwa on Jun 16, 2012 8:23:04 GMT -5
Only other I-Quit Match I can think of tthat might go back a ways is Ric Flair and Terry Funk in Troy New York. It was nationally televised on TBS and the event was known as NY knock out. In tnm if it's true about the Microphone being put in front of the guy and he actually saying the words I quit I haven't seen that occur but then I may have not run enough of them too. Don't know.
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Post by snabbit888 on Jun 16, 2012 11:04:36 GMT -5
Magnum T.A. vs. Tully Blanchard, I Quit Cage match from 1985 and Ric Flair vs. Terry Funk at the Clash of the Champions in 1989 are two of the more famous ones.
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fwaroc
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Post by fwaroc on Jun 16, 2012 21:50:16 GMT -5
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Post by rey619 on Jun 18, 2012 2:38:10 GMT -5
Didn't JBL lose an I Quit Match to Cena a few years ago when he simply didn't want to be beat anymore? Don't know if TNM can separate the two, though.
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Post by allpowerfulgarth on Jun 18, 2012 10:03:37 GMT -5
I am 99.9 percent certain I have seen at least one TNM-booked "I Quit" match end with one of the competitors quitting to end a beating, rather than submitting to a painful hold. So TNM does know the difference between that and a submission match, which can only end when one competitor submits to a hold. Though, of course, it being TNM, it may not be able to take into account the types of spots that tend to lead to "I Quit" finishes in real-world matches -- like quitting to protect someone else (Triple H in 1999, Mick Foley in 2006) or quitting to head off a potentially devastating blow (John Bradshaw Layfield in 2005, The Miz in 2011).
A more interesting question might be whether the "rarely submits" or "never submits" flag applies to a competitor saying "I Quit" the same way it applies to a competitor never submitting. I know it did at one time -- one of the first matches I ever booked in TNM was a Diesel-Mankind "I Quit" match that ran 10 hours and crashed because both guys had "never submits" checked -- but I'm inclined to think that has become more nuanced since 1996. Whether the flag applies to both would help a booker determine whether it's smarter to book a submission match or an "I Quit" match; if a wrestler can quit but not submit, it's better to book an "I Quit" match to make for a less predictable outcome, but if the flag applies to both, the booker will have to go with a submission match because at least that can end with someone passing out in a hold rather than outright submitting to it.
"I Quit" matches actually aren't that rare nowadays. WWE still books them every once in a while; for some reason, it's one of WWE's favorite ways to blow off a John Cena feud, even though it completely telegraphs the ending as Cena always wins "I Quit" matches. Some WWE examples:
Wrestlemania 11: Bret Hart defeated Bob Backlund (though Backlund didn't actually say "I quit;" he just answered "yes" when the referee asked him if he quit)
Royal Rumble 1999: The Rock defeated Mankind
RAW the night after Royal Rumble 1999: The Rock defeated Triple H
No Mercy 2003: Vince McMahon defeated Stephanie McMahon
Judgment Day 2005: John Cena defeated John Bradshaw Layfield
Summerslam 2006: Ric Flair defeated Mick Foley
SmackDown!, October 2006: Chavo Guerrero defeated Rey Mysterio
Backlash 2009: Jeff Hardy defeated Matt Hardy
Over the Limit 2010: John Cena defeated Batista
Over the Limit 2011: John Cena defeated The Miz
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Post by LillaThrilla on Jun 19, 2012 22:14:58 GMT -5
Sets the standard for I Quit matches. Also, the second best use of a balsa wood chair in a wrestling match (only better use was that time someone smashed one over Meng's head and he no-sold it like such a BAMF that he won the match with the chair frame still hanging around his neck. |
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Post by vertigo on Jun 22, 2012 9:07:02 GMT -5
(only better use was that time someone smashed one over Meng's head and he no-sold it like such a BAMF that he won the match with the chair frame still hanging around his neck. I believe this to be the chair shot you speak of, found in a video titled "Meng is Awesome" youtu.be/KNIXjS0EK04 Skip to 8:50. |
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