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Post by kingofoldschool on Jul 5, 2010 14:43:37 GMT -5
I was deleting a couple of moves from my database. When I came to select a replacement for the move being deleted, the program shut itself down (no error message was displayed). I fired TNM back up and discovered that random moves were popping in wrestlers' move lists, in particular their "finisher like" move. Basically, all the movesets of my wrestler exports are now muddled up. Anybody know how to solve this??
(BTW, yes I do have too many moves in my database. How foolish do I feel now for bragging about how my TNM was running without any problems!)
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Post by JoshiQ on Jul 5, 2010 16:48:27 GMT -5
I really wish I could help you since I rely on your site for a lot of my exports. Bleh.
This is far beyond me.
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Post by Crpls on Jul 5, 2010 19:10:40 GMT -5
...backup?
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Post by JoshiQ on Jul 6, 2010 6:46:02 GMT -5
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Post by kingofoldschool on Jul 6, 2010 12:55:34 GMT -5
Luckily, I backed up everything about a week and a half ago. Apparently, the program ran out of memory somewhere in the middle and I ended up with an inconsistent database.
So I now need to delete a plethora of moves from my database so this doesn't happen again. I have removed full nelson stretch, bridging cobra clutch and savate kick (as per discussions on here). More shall follow.
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Post by King Munshun on Jul 6, 2010 19:23:48 GMT -5
Use the Database Cleaner plugin!  |
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Post by tommybrownell on Jul 6, 2010 20:02:58 GMT -5
Which only works if none of those moves are keyed to wrestlers already, unfortunately...=(
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Post by LillaThrilla on Jul 6, 2010 20:14:54 GMT -5
So I now need to delete a plethora of moves from my database so this doesn't happen again. I have removed full nelson stretch, bridging cobra clutch and savate kick (as per discussions on here). More shall follow. Time to get rid of some of those "on the knee" variants? |
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Post by Crpls on Jul 6, 2010 22:25:40 GMT -5
Well, they take like 10 secs to do and they're pretty much your only options in a lot of situations.  |
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Post by kingofoldschool on Jul 10, 2010 6:57:46 GMT -5
The moves cull continues today. Replacement moves which have been assigned in the database are listed in parentheses.
6-1-9 into a Frankensteiner (6-1-9)
Air Raid Crash onto the knee (Air Raid Crash)
avalanche Yoshi Tonic (high speed sunset flip – now can be done from turnbuckle)
backpack stunner (stunner)
brain buster onto the knee (brain buster)
bridging cravate (cravate – now can be done on the mat)
Death Valley Driver onto the knee (fireman's carry to knee neckbreaker) Death Valley Driver into a legdrop (Death Valley Driver)
forward jawbreaker (jawbreaker)
full nelson faceslam (faceslam)
handspring into a Frankensteiner (Frankensteiner)
mounted elbowsmash (elbowsmash)
mounted punch (punch)
Osaka street cutter (stunner)
power bomb onto the knee (power bomb)
reverse flying elbowdrop (flying elbowdrop)
series of headsmashes into the turnbuckle (headsmash into the turnbuckle)
spear into a pin (spear)
springboard Diamond Dust (Diamond Dust)
standing moonsault into a kneedrop (standing moonsault)
Steinerline (clothesline)
Superman pin (inside cradle)
vertical suplex into a stunner (stunner)
Western lariat (lariat)
Can short lariat and short clothesline be combined? Same for forearm choke and rear naked choke? Rolling armbar and flying armbar?
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Post by kingofoldschool on Jul 10, 2010 7:08:50 GMT -5
Also, I think that most top-rope ... moves can be removed by simply checking the "any" option for where the opponent must be, e.g. Ace Crusher, powerslam, Death Valley Driver etc. Thoughts?
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Post by psz on Jul 10, 2010 12:09:18 GMT -5
I thought the forearm choke was when you had your opponent on his back, and put your forearm on his throat?
Rear Naked Choke being more like a sleeper with body-scissors...
(I may be totally wrong, of course!)
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Post by LillaThrilla on Jul 10, 2010 21:31:29 GMT -5
Not sure that works. I thought a full nelson faceslam was essentially a full nelson into a legsweep faceslam. A regular faceslam is just grabing someone by the head and throwing them face first into the mat, sometimes with a running start - like a bulldog without the headlock. Counters would be totally different. I would combine the Chikara special with a nudo. Nudo isn't even a specific move in lucha, just a general term for any knot-like submission. I would be inclined for TNM purposes to lump in any submission where the opponent is on the mat and both legs and arms are tied up to call it a nudo. (TNM Special Move Wizard is a wonderful thing.) I thought the forearm choke was when you had your opponent on his back, and put your forearm on his throat? Rear Naked Choke being more like a sleeper with body-scissors... I'm pretty sure psz is correct about a forearm choke: opponent is on their back on the mat and you press your forearm against their throat. Rear naked choke is definitely a bodyscissors choke sleeper. You see it alot in UFC. Suggested combinations I would make: fist to the groin -> low blow Blizzard Suplex -> t-bone suplex / Exploder suplex cutthroat suplex -> Burning Hammer (inverted DVD) double axhandle to the chest & double axhandle to the back -> double axhandle chop rolling reverse cradle into a bridge -> rolling reverse cradle standing wristlock -> wristlock inverted DDT on the knee = inverted headlock backbreaker ? Combine Beach Break, Air Raid Crash, and Kryptonite Krunch into one move. Does crotch thrust really need to be a move? Shouldn't "thrusts his crotch" just be the wrestler's Working The Crowd string? Possibly get rid of the overhead move variants and cut most of the "series of..." moves. |
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Post by BeerGeek on Jul 12, 2010 18:48:06 GMT -5
I would actually replace Beef Wellington's Ass Punch with a low blow, since that's pretty much what it is, and he's the only guy who uses said move to my knowledge, plus with the special moves wizard you really don't need a lot of those variants anyway
Also the fist to the groin is actually a running low blow, not a standard low blow, so probably change low blow stats so that your opponent can be running toward you
and the main difference between a double-axhandle chop and a double-axhandle to the back is that on the latter the opponent is facing you back first, so maybe change the double-axhandle chop so that you can be facing your opponen't back, and you can take your opponent down with said move
replace the somersault splash (not the top rope one) with a somersault senton if they are indeed the same move (nieither one result in a pinfall attempt, unless the somersault splash is intended as a standing 450, but since no pinfall attempt is done, I think it's safe to say that the standing somersault splash and the standing somersault senton are the same move (just called somersault senton and somersault splash)
also couldn't you combine kick to the groin with low blow as well (as the kick to the groin in TNM involves the opponent standing, and it pretty much serves the same purpose of a low blow, ans they are both blows to the "manhood"
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Post by LillaThrilla on Jul 12, 2010 21:24:44 GMT -5
I would actually replace Beef Wellington's Ass Punch with a low blow, since that's pretty much what it is, and he's the only guy who uses said move to my knowledge, plus with the special moves wizard you really don't need a lot of those variants anyway Except an Ass Punch involves Beef Wellington coming off the top rope. If nobody uses the move except BW and it's his finisher then it doesn't need to be in the move database at all; just make his finisher Similiar To = none. Regardless, a flying punch to the ass has to be one of the stupidest finishers of all time. and the main difference between a double-axhandle chop and a double-axhandle to the back is that on the latter the opponent is facing you back first, so maybe change the double-axhandle chop so that you can be facing your opponen't back, and you can take your opponent down with said move "Can be done behind opponent" is a wonderful checkbox. replace the somersault splash (not the top rope one) with a somersault senton if they are indeed the same move (nieither one result in a pinfall attempt, unless the somersault splash is intended as a standing 450, but since no pinfall attempt is done, I think it's safe to say that the standing somersault splash and the standing somersault senton are the same move (just called somersault senton and somersault splash) also couldn't you combine kick to the groin with low blow as well (as the kick to the groin in TNM involves the opponent standing, and it pretty much serves the same purpose of a low blow, ans they are both blows to the "manhood" I'm not a fan of combing splashes and sentons (back splash), nor kicks and punches. If a somersault splash is a standing 450 is should be an Automatic Pinfall though. |
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Post by BeerGeek on Jul 12, 2010 22:43:06 GMT -5
good points
ALso: The fireman's carry into a cross armbreaker is kind of useless and impossible (well not impossible) but he's what I'm saying: the fireman's carry into a cross armbreaker from TNMUK's exports has the maximum weights that the move can be done set at NA for Opponent's Max weight, Max weight difference, and max weight class difference. So how the heck is a wrestler the same size as say Nunzio going to get a wrestler the same size of say Yokozuna up in the fireman's carry first? It's completely illogical, especially when the actual fireman's carry itself is set at 5, 3, and NA respectively
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Post by kingofoldschool on Jul 14, 2010 13:32:01 GMT -5
Series of double axhandles to the back/chest and crotch thrust were wrestler specific moves (Demolition and Razor Ramon HG). They don't appear in my database anymore.
Double axhandle chop (aka Polish Hammer) and double axhandle to the back should not be combined, in my opinion.
Fireman's carry into a cross armbreaker only appears in my Bryan Danielson export, but I cannot for the life of me remember creating this move. It's gone now and replaced with cross armbreaker.
Beef Wellington's actual finisher is the E.Coli. Again, the ass punch only appears in his export. Perhaps it can go.
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Post by kingofoldschool on Jul 18, 2010 11:00:31 GMT -5
I've taken on board your suggestions and here is an updated list of deleted moves. Once again, replacements are in parentheses.
Air Raid Crash onto the knee (Air Raid Crash)
Amaze Impact (faceslam)
Asai DDT (sliced bread #2)
avalanche Yoshi Tonic (high speed sunset flip – now can be done from turnbuckle)
blind double springboard rana (springboard rana)
brain buster onto the knee (brain buster)
bridging cravate (cravate – now can be done on the mat)
Cavernaria (surfboard)
choke sleeper (rear naked choke)
choking camel clutch (camel clutch)
corkscrew cross body press (flying cross body)
Cutthroat Suplex (Burning Hammer)
Death Valley Driver onto the knee (fireman's carry to knee neckbreaker)
Death Valley Driver into a legdrop (Death Valley Driver)
dropsault (dropkick)
fireman's carry backbreaker (backbreaker)
fireman's carry into a cross armbreaker (cross armbreaker)
fist to the groin (low blow)
flying swinging DDT (leaping swinging DDT)
forward jawbreaker (jawbreaker)
Gorilla press into a flapjack (flapjack)
inverted Russian legsweep cradle (Ranhei)
kick to the face (kick to the head)
leg trap sunset flip power bomb (high speed sunset flip)
Osaka street cutter (Ace Crusher)
power bomb onto the knee (power bomb)
Pyramid Bomb (sitout power bomb)
rolling prawn hold (rolling reverse cradle)
running power bomb (Liger Bomb)
Shining Apprentice (enzuigiri to the face)
shoulder lift into a flapjack (flapjack)
slingshot Ace Crusher (Ace Crusher)
slingshot corkscrew splash (slingshot splash)
slingshot neck snap (neck snap)
slingshot Oklahoma side roll (Oklahoma side roll)
slingshot somersault legdrop (slingshot legdrop)
slingshot sunset flip (sunset flip)
small package driver (wrestler specific – only appeared as a “finisher like” move)
spear into a pin (spear)
springboard clothesline (springboard lariat)
springboard Diamond Dust (Diamond Dust)
standing moonsault into a kneedrop (standing moonsault)
Steinerline (clothesline)
Stretch Plum (abdominal stretch)
super brain buster (brain buster)
super fireman's carry (fireman’s carry)
super fisherman buster (fisherman buster)
super piledriver (piledriver)
Superman pin (inside cradle)
tilt-a-whirl front power bomb (power bomb)
top-rope Falcon Arrow (Falcon Arrow)
top-rope powerslam (powerslam)
top-rope Shiranui (sliced bread #2)
top-rope snap mare (snap mare)
top-rope Splash Mountain (Splash Mountain)
torture rack into a DDT (Burning Hammer)
twisting double underhook suplex (double underhook suplex)
vertical suplex into a stunner (stunner)
Western lariat (lariat)
wheelbarrow DDT (DDT)
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Post by BeerGeek on Aug 1, 2010 23:21:02 GMT -5
I think a lot of inverted moves can be deleted too, especially ones that are not used by a lot of guys. I mean how many guys out there use an inverted Boston Crab? And the only guy I ever saw use an inverted scorpion deathlock was Edge
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Post by kingofoldschool on Aug 2, 2010 13:55:18 GMT -5
I think a lot of inverted moves can be deleted too, especially ones that are not used by a lot of guys. I mean how many guys out there use an inverted Boston Crab? And the only guy I ever saw use an inverted scorpion deathlock was Edge Agreed. Inverted Boston crab combined with Pendulum Swing and inverted scorpion deathlock removed. |
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Post by BeerGeek on Aug 8, 2010 0:08:01 GMT -5
speaking of moves, I'm thinking of deleting the Inverted Go 2 Sleep (at least in my main copy of TNM) as only KENTA uses the move. What can I use as a replacement? Torture rack drop maybe?
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Post by mondello on Jun 6, 2011 20:54:43 GMT -5
I don't have Sting in my database, so what happens if I delete Stinger Splash and then import him later? Will Stinger Splash be added to the moves database when I import him, or will he have a hole in his moveset because I deleted the move earlier?
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Post by snabbit888 on Jun 6, 2011 20:59:49 GMT -5
I don't have Sting in my database, so what happens if I delete Stinger Splash and then import him later? Will Stinger Splash be added to the moves database when I import him, or will he have a hole in his moveset because I deleted the move earlier? If you import Sting, if the Stinger Splash is in his moveset, it will import into TNM. That's why you have to be so careful when you import wrestlers. If someone created 50 moves for a wrestler and you import that wrestler, you will now have 50 new moves in your database. |
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Post by LillaThrilla on Jun 6, 2011 21:06:49 GMT -5
I don't have Sting in my database, so what happens if I delete Stinger Splash and then import him later? Will Stinger Splash be added to the moves database when I import him, or will he have a hole in his moveset because I deleted the move earlier? If you import Sting, if the Stinger Splash is in his moveset, it will import into TNM. That's why you have to be so careful when you import wrestlers. If someone created 50 moves for a wrestler and you import that wrestler, you will now have 50 new moves in your database. Yep, what Ryan said. FWIW, a Stinger Splash is named after Sting but really it's just a jumping avalanche. I suspect he's not actually the only one to use it. |
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Post by mondello on Jun 6, 2011 21:23:17 GMT -5
That's what I thought. I've been thinking about creating all my own exports from scratch because every time I import the exports that I want I end up having to clean up the database.
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