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Post by LillaThrilla on Jun 12, 2011 22:08:31 GMT -5
Flatliner or reverse Russian legsweep?
Ace Crusher, Diamond Cutter, or cutter? (for TNM moves database purposes they're the same thing)
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Post by snabbit888 on Jun 12, 2011 22:29:21 GMT -5
Flatliner and Ace crusher. Or maybe just cutter. I'd be happy with either.
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Post by phudjie on Jun 13, 2011 1:39:57 GMT -5
Flatliner and Diamond Cutter, I did have it in my Database as just Cutter, but I didn't like the wasy it looked and changed it back to Diamond Cutter
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Post by rey619 on Jun 13, 2011 12:27:39 GMT -5
Reverse russian legsweep and cutter. I prefer it if moves are named by their technical definition, not by the name given it by a wrestler. I guess a cutter really is a three-quarter facelock bulldog, but that's just too technical.
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Post by theimpalertmx on Jun 13, 2011 17:48:21 GMT -5
Also the Flatliner was two moves even though I'm sure 99.9% of people would be thinking of the inverted Russian legsweep.
And thus another caveat. Typically inverted refers to position and reverse to motion. They get used interchangeably, but this is how they've always been differentiated from each other so.
Inverted Russian legsweep = Flatliner/Downward Spiral/etc.
Reverse Russian legsweep = The Stroke (roughly)
Inverted reverse Russian legsweep = STO
That being said I tend to prefer calling moves by what they are and not a reflection of who did it unless someone invented or at least popularized the move so much that it instantly connects. So I'm fine with either Ace Crusher or just a cutter (Diamond Cutter becomes redundant if you can just use cutter).
Some things that are in the normal wrestling fan's lexicon are fine. I'd rather just call the STO exactly that since the actual description is rather wordy.
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Post by LillaThrilla on Jun 13, 2011 20:53:48 GMT -5
Also the Flatliner was two moves even though I'm sure 99.9% of people would be thinking of the inverted Russian legsweep. And thus another caveat. Typically inverted refers to position and reverse to motion. They get used interchangeably, but this is how they've always been differentiated from each other so. Inverted Russian legsweep = Flatliner/Downward Spiral/etc. Reverse Russian legsweep = The Stroke (roughly) Inverted reverse Russian legsweep = STO Even if it's technically correct I'm not sure that anyone ever calls the Stroke a reverse Russian legsweep; I've only heard "forward Russian legsweep". Reverse Russian legsweep and inverted Russian legsweep seem to be used interchangeably refering to a Flatliner/etc. |
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Post by theimpalertmx on Jun 13, 2011 23:52:08 GMT -5
Well, I don't think a forward Russian legsweep looks like it does any damge, any way. And yes, as I said reverse and inverted get used interchangeably. However, to make distinction between the two that is the convention. It makes sense if you think about it. Inverted usually refers to something's position (e.g. inverted cross), right? Reverse usually indicates motion, even when used as a noun it usually is explaining some sort of action. For the sake of having an accurate move database I would keep that distinction. Of course announcers are going to call it different things. I'm impressed if they even call a move they don't know with something besides "what a maneuver!" However, these conventions are consistently used in grapple-heavy martial arts, my own experiences coming from judo and jujitsu.
Now, if the reversal of motion and/or position would make for an ineffective move then it isn't unheard of to use one of the other options. Example: With these conventions a reverse DDT would mean putting your opponent in a front facelock and swinging forward to land flat on your face. That would obviously be a pointless move. In such a case reverse DDT is used interchangeably with inverted DDT, with the former often being preferred because it is one less syllable (and that can make a big difference when you are trying to call an exciting match).
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