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Post by rey619 on Oct 14, 2011 1:31:19 GMT -5
I think we all can agree that no-shows sucks, and that it sucks even more that you aren't told about the no-show until right before the show. It would have been far better to get this message before starting the entire card, and that you could re-book the entire show. Since I'm in the business myself, I can tell you that if somebody no shows, it will have more consequences for the card than his or her match.
Now, the way I run TNAW, I do 6 weeks of taping in one weekend (I "run TNAW" in TNM the same way as any, but that's the business model I'm picturing in my mind. That means that unless someone no shows the very first time they're in the ring that weekend, I disregard the no show. I then roll a d20 (RPG dice for those not in the know), and invent a backstage rumor about that wrestler causing some heat. If your total reaches or exceeds 20, you've so seriously fucked up your chance that you're fired.
So I can see why Josh thinks I'm cheating, everyone who reads his circuits knows that he's been really bothered with excessive no-shows.
While Ryan and Josh are good at this, there comes a time when there really are no good options. I think one of Ryan's recent no shows is proof of that. I'm talking about Dusty Rhodes filling in for Tito Santana and winning the top contender spot. Don't get me wrong, it may lead to some creative booking (and no shows often lead to creative booking), but I think a better approach would have been to simple not have the match at all.
Since many of us use TNM simply as a framework and with the use of the Circuit Editor, it could have been edited out after the show. You could also have made it into a singles match (and given one of the tag guys the night off), and simply edited the results to show that it was a singles match, not a tag match.
The ratings becomes wrong then, but I don't know how many use them anyway?
So, any thoughts on this or how to treat no shows?
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Post by snabbit888 on Oct 14, 2011 2:13:44 GMT -5
I'll give a more thorough response tomorrow, but isn't there a way to just cancel the match on the no-show? Or am I making that up?
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Post by rey619 on Oct 14, 2011 6:22:30 GMT -5
I have never heard of it anyway, but it would be a welcome option.
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Post by JoshiQ on Oct 14, 2011 7:35:09 GMT -5
I'll give a response in a bit, but I hope you know that I don't actually think you're cheating. I just have rotten luck.
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Post by rey619 on Oct 14, 2011 8:45:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I was just joking. Should have inserted a smiley though  |
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Post by JoshiQ on Oct 14, 2011 11:57:43 GMT -5
For someone who uses sarcasm as often as I do on the net, you'd think I'd pick it up more often when other people use it.
As for no-shows, I seem to have the worst luck of anyone with it. I average about one every two shows it would seem, and it never feels like it is an opening match. It's usually my main event or a semi-main. For how I handle them, I work with them no matter how they come. Even if a guy wrestles earlier in the show, I still find a replacement if he no-shows.
Booking around them can be a pain, but it does help cure the boredom that can come from TNM. The only time I really hate it is when I've had a match booked in my head several shows in advance and the guy no-shows. If there is really nothing I can come up with, I might just go with the the "travel issues" but usually I try and have a backstage attack or a heel deciding to chicken out before the match. What's funny is my usual booking takes a long time, but when I book no-shows, I just go with the first thing that enters my head. It can work out pretty well, and it has given me quite a few angles that I otherwise wouldn't have had. Not to mention that Billy Graham got a NWF World Title run that he wouldn't have had if Race hadn't no-showed my first show.
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Post by snabbit888 on Oct 14, 2011 13:40:30 GMT -5
I really like just dealing with them on the fly. It can help build so many feuds and angles that I wouldn't have otherwise thought of. For instance, rey, you mentioned the Dusty Rhodes filling in for Tito Santana no-show. Sure, maybe not ideal. But now I have another feud for Paul Jones' Army with Jones being upset that the goody-two-shoes Rhodes spoiled his plan to lock Santana in his locker room to make it a handicap match. I'm trying to keep Rhodes away from the World Title scene for just a bit longer, and I think this is a good feud to do it, all thanks to a no-show.
So I dunno. I just like dealing with them as I go on the fly. And if I REALLY need to edit something for an angle, I'll do so.
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Post by rey619 on Oct 14, 2011 16:25:22 GMT -5
If there is really nothing I can come up with, I might just go with the the "travel issues" but usually I try and have a backstage attack or a heel deciding to chicken out before the match. Yeah, the thing is, doesn't a "no-show" mean that the wrestler doesn't appear at the arena? So if the wrestler chickens out or is in a segment where he is knocked out / locked in etc., he shouldn't really be there at all? Or do you guys just feel that a no-show is a creative challenge of sorts? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, you know I love your circuits, I'm just brainstorming  |
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Post by snabbit888 on Oct 14, 2011 16:29:52 GMT -5
I like to think of it as a creative challenge. Because really, how often can there be "travel issues" before it gets old and boring? For me, I just figure a no-show is the person not showing up for his match. Like take for instance Royal Rumble 1991. Randy Savage "no-showed" the Royal Rumble match, but he was there earlier because he cost Warrior the WWF Title. That would be an instance of a creative writeup of a no-show (even though it was completely booked, but you know what I mean).
But hell, a no-show could be someone got sick before their match and unable to perform, even though they're in the building.
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Post by JoshiQ on Oct 25, 2011 21:23:00 GMT -5
I wonder how many of you guys actually take into consideration how often a person no-shows on if you fire or re-sign a guy? In WWF '92 Animal no-showed WrestleMania, and I figured there was no way the WWF would keep him around after that. In NWF I have two guys that have no-showed twice so far (Harley Race and Thunderbolt Patterson). If either of them no-show a third time any time soon there might be problems, but I'm not really sure how I'll handle it.
Obviously this is all random, but I do find it adds a little bit of fun to the "backstage" element. Ryan and I have talked about how it's interesting that both Harley Race and Dick Murdoch have been hard to work with in both of our feds.
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Post by snabbit888 on Oct 25, 2011 22:30:57 GMT -5
I think it really depends on the situation. Like you said, Animal no-showed Wrestlemania so he had to go. If he had no-showed Primetime, no, you don't fire him.
And yeah, Race is a huge asshole.
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Post by theimpalertmx on Oct 25, 2011 22:33:10 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, is there anyone who uses any number other than the default no-show seed? I rarely turn it on myself, but I usually tend to run my circuits on a more "professional" level. You know, if I'm running a present day WWE circuit I'm going to leave it off. Not that it doesn't happen, its just how often is a match announced that doesn't end up taking place? Very rarely these days. On a smaller circuit, where things aren't run as tightly and I'm probably treating my roster as not being exclusive to me, I'll leave it on.
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Post by JoshiQ on Oct 25, 2011 22:45:42 GMT -5
I have never touched it. It always sits at 80. Even with a modern circuit I would probably continue to use no-shows. To me it's just a fun way to have to edit my booking on the fly. I can see turning it off, but I like any variable that TNM can give me. It kind of surprises me that I hate unbooked feds since I stick strictly to what TNM gives me in hiring, quitting, and no-shows.
But to be realistic in a WWE fed set in 2011, you'd probably want the no-show seed set to something like 300. I still wouldn't do it, but it would be far more realistic that way.
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